What really won me over was the quality and operation, even on the bargain CM. The reason the trigger pull is lighter is because it is a SA trigger versus the DA trigger on the original LCP. I have heard the PiCO may be TOO small. All of this list (for the most part) are price point guns and no, you will not get HK quality for $200, but this list is about as fanboy as anything I have ever seen on here. I told him Im shooting the same Remington ammo in all of them (I dont use the reloads or Russian stuff). I just dont see the silent u in that. The DB380 is a cheap subcompact 380 pocket pistol. Both nice guns, the Pico is the clear winner. Are you kidding me? There are many different 380 pistol options, but our favorites include the following: Ruger LCP II, Walther PK380, Kel-tec P3AT, Taurus Spectrum, and M&P Shield EZ. Must be the best gun ever. Everyones hand size and perception of recoil is different and therein lies the beauty of having choice. At my handgun review and rating site, gunsgunsguns.net, we offer star ratings on a scale of 110 for every gun featured on the site. Bodyguard were well rated. I used to have one. But the reset on the trigger was so ridiculously long Id often miss follow up shots because I handt let it out far enough to reset. I like mine. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty1.jpg Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Or had a bad exp. Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! I met Leghorn at a Range Day last year and he knows little about handling a weapon. It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. (2) You have no idea who the reviewers are and what their qualifications to rate a firearm areeven if they tell you. Actually the Hellcat felt better in the hand and was more accurate for me with a better sight than other micro pistols. Glock 42 4. Suprised about the Kahr, Beretta, and Diamondback. Yes, he and others are social media whizkids, but not firearm experts. WebSome derringers, like the Bond Arms derringers, are brilliantly crafted guns. I have shot the Pico with thousands of rounds and can honestly say I have Never had ONE single failure out of thousands of rounds. The list is pretty laughable, though, because drawing conclusions from such a tiny sample of unvetted ratings is deeply, deeply flawed. the fact you just dont like it? While larger .380 pistols such as the Walther PPK/S, Walther PK380, Bersa Thunder 380, and Glock 42 dont have this problem, the truly small pocket pistols such as the LCP and TCP most certainly do. Im about to order some more. Got the Hellcat thrown in when I bought another gun. Bersa Thunder 5. This gun looks a whole lot like the Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P-3AT. Go to Genitron and compare.And very little muzzle flip. I appreciate the review. When he says the People have spoken who the heck is that? I have two of the Picos. I am no statistician but most of the sample sizes were very small. WebMAC Website & PrimaryArms website link: http://www.militaryarms.orgJoin Patreon and support MAC! (dead serious) took it right back to the store. They sent me a replacement gun that wouldnt chamber the 1st round. Ive heard too many bad comments and complaints about the I.O. Well, yes, Gigli did suck, but that wasnt known until later. Id have to disagree with the cpx2s place on the list even though the company had growing pains. Beretta did a fine job on the Pocket Pistol. Guess what? And then the gall to refer to Jeremy who by the way did not bother to report that the upgraded model fixed all the issues with the first run. I wouldnt go smaller than a Glock 27 in .40 the recoil is too snappy. How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? Anyone have the Bersa .380. This only naturally makes it more difficult to fire properly like we just talked about. I called the factory and was accused of limp wristing. It makes my SR40C feel like a 9mm. I love this gun for the price, and just because its not made by Glock means nothing to me. I have SCCY CPX2 Best gun ever Just keep it clean 400 rounds down range 400 rounds on target Ill bet my life on my cpx2. Funny. I will run the Pico side by side the Kahr any day and have. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. The number of ratings is what sold his other books. I bought it after reading the review on TTAG. The S&W MP EZ 380 read the reviews even on the Glock site they praise the SW MP 380 EZ M&P Shield EZ .380 6. Makes me question the authors intentions in this article. The reason I hated it was they are DAO and the trigger pull was a mile long, i found my self pulling the trigger again before it reset. Still, if youre looking for a all purpose value like pistol then look no further (hesk Ive seen them for $200 NIB out the doorAnd yes, Kel-Tec got copied yet again! 5 Best 380 Pistols for Concealed Carry in 2022 - Gun News I just went through your site and clicked a one star on every gun over $500 and a 10 star on every gun under $500 with my only basis being I dont currently have an expendable $500 in my pocket and I dont like them because they are out of my budget Just kidding, I didnt, but anyone out there could do it, which is why I think your system is incredibly flawed by not at least holding reviewers to having to list a reason. AMEN . Kahr P380 is the definitive pocket gun. And the Pico will run like a sewing machine. My son made sure I carried a SW9VE for daily use. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. The trigger is long and weighty but smooth. The design was intended to produce more accuracy while only sacrificing marginal power. (3) Often in the comment sections of user reviews online, you see stuff being dinged a star or two from superfluous stuff. His comment about the mag release tell xme his knowledge of the Beretta Pico is limited to picking one up at the most. It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. We indicate sponsored content as such. The only thing about that bill is that allows those in a govt approved marksmenship program to buy them first. It shoots a powerful pistol cartridge in a light gun. By the way, break down the Kahr and compare it to the Pico. WebBeretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! Great sights, ability to change out to night sights and on and on. I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. The sights on the LCP II are built into the top of the slide like its predecessor. So the recoil is stout. Jed Henson runs the handgun review and rating site gunsgunsguns.net. Glad to see it was noted as rating highly, and not on the list. The LCP II also features forward and rear serrations on the slide, whereas the original LCP only featured serrations on the rear. Its on the edge of what Id consider using for self-defense, but Id recommend trying to move up to 9mm if possible. It seems like the all metal euro pistols of yester-year beat the new models in spades. Im thinking about getting a second one to keep in my truck or with my bow hunting gear. I think it would have to be the 2mm Kolibri. Its the worlds smallest handgun, and develops just 4 joules of muzzle energy. Its not a joke weapon Wouldnt take much time for an employee or contractor of one of these manufacturers to buff up the ratings, or down rate a competitor. Diamondback has been plagued by trouble. Pointing a gun will not stop a thug. Have you ever even shot one? I would think a pocket gun would be best kept in .380 or 9mm. You find that to be an effective way to make friends and influence people? Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. until you find a way to weed out braindead haters who vote based on their idiotic and unedumacated feelings all of your results will be skewed by gun store rednecks who dont know what the word ballistic even means. Literally, it is.) But still, Im sure there are worse ones. After we shot a bit we could ring that gong regularly. Thank-you. I own expensive pistols and revolvers, as well as a SCCY CPX-2. I own a hp380. Obviously you really do not get into pocket guns or spend time with folks that do. How do they perform? It smacks you hand, mostly due to the 2 finger grip. When it comes to a worst list omitting anything made by Kel Tec is a mistake. The Manual says clearly not to dry fire the gun without snap caps. Wonder if SCCY will give you a deal on a trade in for that one ? The grip is also slightly enlarged in order to get a better grip, with an improved stippling job as well to better accommodate wet or slippery conditions. The Mag release is a piece of cake. For 2022, the Roughneck will be available in a recoil-friendly .380 ACP. Women need to be told about the woman in Birmingham who was being robbed and pulled out a gun. It would likely be more meaningful. In 2017, SIG Sauer produced a unicorn of a pistol in the P365. Given all that, wouldnt it be nice to know which pocket guns you can rule out right off the bat? You mean like the crowd of voters that put Obama in office twice. Too small, too weak, too much plastic. It is also the only 10 shot 9mm you can find that is truly small enough to pocket carry. Five for sure and nobody can show otherwise. Uh no. Standing out as one of the smallest on this list, Kahr isnt a A 9mm shouldnt be slower than a .45. For College Campuses! 6. He may want to trade the SCCY with the safety in for one of the newer ones without a safety. Anyway, all just my opinion here. Built like a tank. I was also surprised to find the CM40 rated so poorly. +1. But for a handgun of last resort, I prefer an Airweight. Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. and wrote the entire line off. Certainly it should appear on the Wikipedia page. My PT 22 is surprisingly reliable. Its a joy to shoot. Of course the gun was the new upgraded model. They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. Nicer than the price would indicate. Oh, it fits my hand great too. And buying likes is one definite way to abuse it. Its very much a personal decision then, based on fit, function, and how well it shoots. Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. I had huge issues with a Kahr, so they will never get my money again. A local guy shot a home invader with a SCCY. The double 1911 also has ratings. Yea, guns like Diamondback, Jiminez, Lorcen, High Point and so forth have always had poor reputations, but guns like SCCY and the now Springfield Armory XD were initially poo pooed but turn out to be good guns http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-left.jpg. Shooting (And Finally Breaking) the SCCY CPX-2: http://youtu.be/YzYm_CqMZG8. Quick Summary: Our Top Picks For 5 Best .380 Pistols in 2022 1. Total joke. As far as the magazine release, its perfect for my needs. You have not spoken to anyone that has something positive to say about the Pico? Maybe so few were sold they didnt make the list. No problems what so ever. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. AND, NAA has first class warranty service. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. I have thousands of rounds through both and they keep on trucking One gun has 5000 rounds with just one failure with all kinds of ammo and that was a bad primer strike, which by the way the Pico has double strike capability which took care of that. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. Its not Remington R51 bad, but its a pretty lousy firearm. I bought a SCCY CPX-2 a few months ago . Any kind of ammo. There is a reason why this is Berettas top Pocket gun. The Pico is built like a tank. The CPX-2 fails to fully eject one shell per magazine. Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. Its elegant lines and precision engineering have a timeless appeal. No it is not a light striker fired trigger. There is an author named John Lott, who became a best seller from an unknown very quickly by doing exactly that. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. Lol, it is more than obvious that John Hope does not have a clue about the Beretta Pico. Extremely Mild, Plus P rated, Modular design, mags that look like Custom 1911 stainless steel. One of the finest pocket guns out there. They are well known for their % of guns that have failure rates compared to the ones that dont. These are last resort concealment guns with a lot of punch in a small package. I sell guns and have ZERO hesitation about selling someone a CPX-2 for everyday carry. Lol, a very nice DAO, the new Gen is much lighter. So, pocket guns being inherently hard to shoot and prone to limp wristing will experience failures. I had a CPX-2, functionality and reliability i couldnt complain about. . Theres room for disagreement, but probably only because some peoples pockets are bigger and can hold bigger guns. My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. Remember, these are life-or-death guns, not gopher guns or race guns. Its fun to shoot really, PS: visited the site again, feeling slightly guilty for harping on the polling validity-. Also it would be great to know if the people voting own the guns they are rating and/or if they have ever shot them. Have you put more than a box through it? All these tacticool wannabes on here think theyre special. customer service should you need it that transfers with the gun. This is the J-Frame for the masses. IMHO it packs a great punch for a pistol that slips away in my pocket. Did you give them Cyrillic numbers to rate with? For their size they are accurate but these are not range guns (especially the CM40). I think by nature all auto pocket pistols suck. They have gotten great reviews and by the serial numbers and manufacture dates on the 2 guns, their sales have gone up 4x but the QC has suffered greatly. Thanks for your post. Sold it and picked up an LCP off a friend for $150. But this article should be called Articles to avoid like the Plague. .40 maybe too big for a leetle sub-compact pistol. That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. At 10.2 ounces, the trim Taurus 738 is a very light pistol, and with an overall length of just 5.25 inches its easy to conceal even under light you have to wear shorts with a tucked in shirt), the LCP II will be a great option. either love or hate. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. Its not. My other gun is a Beretta PX4. Really disappointed in how this was presented. Hey Dan, what gun have you designed or invested in? It feels good in the hand and the materials and workmanship are fine. Expand your opinion to something legitimate and/or constructive with first hand knowledge. Really it sounds like some pretty crappy customer service. And of course not break down like they do with high volume shooting. And that considering the Kahr is a fine gun. I alone will take up the Masterpiece banner, carry it aloft, plant it on the nearest peak and proclaim, Get thee 6 extra recoil springs and thou shalt have a decent pistol for a year or more, even.. I like its feel in my hand. I love the Pico. Do they now have 12 round mags? Theyve reportedly improved it in newer model LCPs. And probably never fired one. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock They are all solid, dependable, and reliable. Heck, the CM40s steel-framed brother, the MK40, is currently ranked in the top 5 (granted, with only 10 votes so far). Ruger LCP II .380 ($349) Wrong about sccy. I trust my Hellcat 380 as much as I do my S & W 39, but I prefer a tight revolver over any semi-auto when my life depends on it. How so? Ruger sells the LCP II with a neoprene pocket holster (which has the Ruger logo on it), and it actually works quite well. Why people follow them is a mystery. WebSmith & Wesson Model 500 is a five-shot, single action/double-action large caliber revolver produced by Smith & Wesson, firing the .500 S&W Magnum cartridge, a .50 caliber bullet. 400 hundred rounds of various FMJ and hollow points without a single failure. I shoot pocket guns all the time. they do have a 200 round break in that they tell you to expect possible fails also. Thats whats currently on my hip and I love it. Prohibition: Why It Wouldnt Work Any Better With Guns Than It Did With Alcohol, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations. Shocking that an IO Inc product is at the bottom of the barrel. Do you perhaps have a very early one? The DAO trigger is long but is consistent and smooth. These arent Rambo guns, they are self defense guns. I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. Baby glocks seem like an attractive option as at least they have a somewhat normal trigger w/ a normal length of pull. It came back still not fixed. Considering the price point of the SCCY, its fit, finish and functionality is excellent. [Edit: Jeremy S. had issues w/ the Pico as well], 5) Kahr Arms CM40(3.8 stars 0.7, 36 votes). Ive no complaints. the problem with your rating site is that it is seriously flawed. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. I have seen this kind of nonsense before but did not expect to see it here. Hellcat 380. So now I have a paperweight in the shape of a gun ! And I didnt enjoy shooting my G27 until I got the extended base plates with additional capacity. Ive owned a CPX 2 for about a year and we shoot every weekend. Anonymous reviews should be taken VERY suspiciouslyof all product, not just guns. Like others, I am a bit surprised by the poor showing of the Beretta. They still fall back to the limp wrist and ammo excuses. Copyright 2023 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. It is considerably lighter and smoother than the original LCP and other comparable .380 pistols, and it also features the Glock-style bladed safety that must first be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled. These flaws include, but are not limited to: .380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. Its easy to see why: .380 pistols are typically small enough to carry in the pocket, they are unquestionably smaller and lighter than competing 9mm single stack autos or .38 snubnose revolvers. The Type 94 Shiki Kenju. Great little pistol. Its definitely not perfect but it is far from the worst gun Ive owned. Far too many people have shot themselves or objects in their house loading a NAA revolver because they didnt pay attention to safety instructions. I think the SCCY might be marginally better and has 2 mags. Of all the firearm purchases you may make in your lifetime, a pocket gun is probably the one you can least afford to screw up. Why Beretta didnt copy the ergonomics on that is a mystery to me. Stainless steel through out the gun. I got a Glock26, and have been happy ever since! I have thousands of rounds through the Picos and trust me, they hold up like the tank they are. It is not made for quick magazine changes. I have a SCCY too. The only guns to get near a 100 votes are the Beretta and the SCCY. Those small NAA revolvers you have to learn how to safely load and unload. The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. When I dress up, the P380 is the best answer to the pocket-carry problem. 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