I, too, had learned much from Fr. The reason I feel that way, my2cents, is because Ive held the position for decades, hence- bc of the timeframe-in my early years of mothering I met some of the original laity & priests who held the position (who BTW shall at this time remain nameless.) Most noteworthy here is his utterly preposterous assertion that the SSPX came about in response to some amorphous weakening of the Church.. From one not typical traditionalist to another (Im a sedevacantist, you know that radioactive, flea-bitten & lice infested group rejected by all,) I agree with lots of what you say. Catholics are watching and waiting. The archbishops statement was read at All Saints Masses the weekend of Nov. 9-10. They remind me of that commercial where the woman walks up to the counter to pay for something and the girl says, I need to see your I.D. and the woman says, But Im your Mother! Another is the fallen-nature blindness that affects us all and inclines us to take for granted things that we are used to: be it a spouse, family, friends, health, employment, position, or other things. Dear Adam 95, Nashua, NH Sunday 22nd October. The objective truth isnt really all that difficult to see here with respect to the Councils standing in relation to the truths of the faith as they have always been taught. Listening to audio sancto raised much concern for me a long, long ago. What did Our Lord Jesus say: by the love you have for one another will they know you and love your enemies, be good to those who hate you and persecute you. ********** Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. for your information, Im no spring chicken myself. San Diego, CA I like Rad Trad would like to say more but in Justice I can not. We are truly living in a period of disorientation. Hello john6. Mr. Peter McShurley ('14), Rev. **********Breaking News********** . There are those whod love to discredit stories like yours, bc of their own prejudices & preferences while at the same time having a holier than though attitude that would put a Holy Roller Southern Baptist to shame. FORT WAYNE. Minneapolis, MN Denver, CO I am so sorry that this has been your lot, its heart rending. I do not have a right to say anymore. Sometimes we are trite, blunt, even silly. I pray that Catholics (on BOTH sides of this issue) read your response and learn that the real enemies of Our Lord love confusion and division. 6th group sedevacantism those who belong to this group regard the chair of peter vacant there are different variations/groups of sedevacantism but mainly beleive there hastnt been a true pope since the death of pope pius xii 1958.1 of the main reasons they beleive this is that a formal herectic cannot hold office and therefore places himself outside the church. So whats the opposite of human respect, piety? That doesnt make them schismatic; rather, it makes the pope guilty of abusing his authority. More folly from His Vortexcellency: UPDATED. But they are all liars? Edmonton, AB Sarasota, FL Most of the time unfortunately it falls into a type of group. Who do you say that I am? At one time, I am certain that Michael Voris would likewise refuse to sign such a statement. Gerard Saguto, FSSP and Fr. Those who think this group is the anti-christ will not be moved from that position. Calgary, AB He knows very well (as he and I had discussed in some detail on more than one occasion) that the SSPX came about as a very direct response to the errors of the Second Vatican Council and the deplorable theology of the Novus Ordo Missae. That is why the status of the SSPX is, at this time, technically an internal matter. Once there is a formal declaration of schism, it changes the rules of engagement from an internal to an external matter. There is no doctrine, no moral apart from Him who declares Himself to the be the Truth. EVANSVILLE. SAGUTO - Michael D., on June 12, 2009 of Syosset, NY. ** But we preach Christ and Him crucified. since the doctrinal declaration of april 15th 2012 to rome made public easter 2013 priests and bishop wiiiamson saw that the society was changing its direction that archbishop lefebre had founded. The Radical Catholic blog has confirmed from CMTV that Voris and CMTV plagiarized the sermon of a Priest of the FSSP in his attack on the SSPX. Edmonton, AB Fawning over Paul VI, Divine Mercy blather & countless other things. Terry Carroll, like his pastor, did too, and that personal vendetta against the Society (and unwillingness to go full bore after the dangers associated with the Council, the new Mass, and the actions of the pope) has since been adopted by Michael Voris as well. Indeed we are often victims of true prejudice-marginalized as lunatics, bazaare, on the fringe or fringe groups, etc. I think it sometimes gives them scruples. FUNERAL HOMES. (Mt 16:15) There is only one correct answer to this question, upon which is built the entire deposit of Faith. Saguto is an excellent priest but he needs to stop perpetuating this lie and he needs to order his priests to do the same. St. Catharines, ON This definition of Tradition is what the FSSP publicly holds as a condition of being received into new church. (Remember, divine mercy had been condemned 3 times.) To suggest in such a snide, sarcastic, evil way that these two movements by the FSSP are in any way related to the controversy here or on Church Militant is beyond the pale. He also is a member of that parish, and the words he used to describe Fr. Tyler, TX Ad majorem Dei gloriam. While every home has its own mix of dysfunction, the anger and frustration displayed by those raised in more dysfunctional ones reveals this innate sense of what was to be expected. It was simply too painful for many lay people to take. Lincoln, NE 2022 TheCatholicSpirit.com. Im surprised to see terminology used here. Sacramento, CA http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm. Where to begin? If sedevacantist friends or family have done that to you, or anyone, its a shame. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, and the liturgical artist, Mr. Paul Sirba. Richard M, This is my weak attempt at trying to make things easier for new readers etc to understand the different positions. The FSSP was founded on heresy and lies and it shows now all these years later. Gruner was yet, so I looked past it in ignorance. Omaha, NE In light of all that surrounds us, (the new annulment process, synod on the family, silence on sodomite marriage, etc.) Since becoming a sedevacantist, I have broken contact w/many of my family who consider themselves to be traditional catholics even as they stopped believing in confession when they were in college, attended mass whenever they feel like it, but always go to communion, are sterilized, use birth control, are divorced and remarried, are pro-abortion, are pro-homosexual marriage, dont believe anyone is going to hell, believe everyone is saved w/out being baptized or Catholic, are married to unbaptized persons, never go to mass, raise their children w/these values, never prayed the rosary with their children who are now 35 etc. The good taste and good judgement of this project is thanks to the pastor, Fr. Phoenix, AZ * Sunday Mass at St. Paul's College Chapel, Ponsonby. That neighbor would include jews, mohammedans, shintoists, hindus, etc. This is the price for full communion, but the truth remains that all three of these things (the Novus Ordo, the Council and the shenanigans of the popes) represent a grave danger to souls. German-speaking Chaplain Father Gerald Gesch. Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? The glad tidings of Christmas should be obvious to anyone who believes. Dallas, TX Take a trip over to Novus Ordo Watch to learn about the actual truth of things, not watered down, but assuming those with a genuine sense of the faith will be given the grace to handle it. All in mortal sin? than we do. Furthermore, Ive been informed that Fr. Your rash judgement I hope is based on ignorance and not malice. We can end the discussion on this subject . 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Tags: Catholic Extraordinary Form, FSSP, Tridentine Mass Father has done a 180 degree turn since his days in Kansas City, where I also was. 2nd group those that attend TLM this can range from someone who may attend a weekday TLM or sunday TLM but who still likes to be involved with their local parish and who sees no problem with new mass. As for the suggestion that the SSPX simply left the Church by holding fast to the true faith, even as her aforementioned weak and corrupt leaders abandoned it, is idiotic even for him. Springdale, AR Christendom College will see three of its alumni ordained as priests this summer. Thomas Paprocki. Qubec, QC Any insight you can give regarding this reaction will be appreciated. +Wmson is therefore blind himself imagine St. John the Baptist (or Jesus) stating that the high priests, scribes and pharisees were good people . French-speaking Chaplain Father Hubert Bizard. Wolfe. These three priests will raise the total number . I remember every word and it is my expectation that Father Wolfe will find someone else to host all the sermons he has been preaching but have not been posted publicly since the sad split with Audio Sancto. Denver, CO That said, I do no wish to engage you there, but others might want to- with regard to this. I am a Catholic who assents to all the Teachings of The Roman Catholic Church which lives on, undefiled in all her Glory. On behalf of all of the members of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, the Superior General and his Council would like to express their great thanks to Fr. Those of us who dont have a dog in the fight would rather read about something more important. Quincy, IL Allentown, PA I had already decided (in agreement with you) to stay away from CMTV and T. Marshall. Im also reminded of Dr.Taylor Marshalls involvement of Fisher More College and am still in the dark as to many of the details. Sedevacantist bishops & priests interract with other Catholics, be they SSPX, those who are in diocesan life, etc. Gemma Bradac is an All Saints parishioner located in Hudson, WI, willing to travel up to 30 minutes for a family. Pequannock, NJ Fort Myers, FL I have spoken to/communicated with exactly two FSSP priests in my life. Liars and cowards is what the two I spoke to wereand one was the former head of the order here in America. Barbara, ***All Catholics are called to charity toward neighbor. My only point was the Church today is in a dire crisis and the antics of Mr. Voris are the least of our problems. Nothing is credible in the Church apart from Christ who lives in it with us; if we do not believe Christ is God, then we never believe in the truths that flow from that and have had tremendous impact on us the Holy Trinity, the Holy Eucharist, the Resurrection, the forgiveness of sins. I talk to a lot of people In and about the Fraternity. The SSPX is not and never has been in schism. Cardinal Burke has been very clear: If Pope Francis puts in place a program allowing the divorced and remarried to receive Holy Communion apart from a true remedy (e.g., an annulment) he will not follow; rather, he said he will maintain the true faith. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, North American Superior for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, made a pastoral visit to Mater Dei on Sunday, March 6th, offering the 9:00 AM Sung Mass and the Benediction following the Mass. Please allow us and them to listen to you. Now there is the objective case of schism, and the legal/subjective case of schism. Call Father Wolfe and ask him about the SSPX! I understand there is a diabolical disorientation going on, which is difficult for many priests to recover from, but devotion to the divine mercy chaplet only exacerbates the disorientation, I have noted. Peace be to you. I do not claim, presume or pretend to belong to an exclusive club. With Thanksgiving Day, many are (or were, depending on where you live) looking forward to getting together at home and spending time with family and friends. It is their dissent and heterodoxy and lack of courage that have caused all of this to happen. Nevertheless, I address you here not out of disrespect, but simply because the sedevacantist position is almost always inaccurately sketched out and characterized here & elsewhere. The Bishop did not stop Nicholson. Fr. Have you noticed the fall off in comments by the regulars? Their stuff & stance is indicative of the serious problem with the FSSP-that being they are fully signed on to the Modernist Sect & are part of it. We really have no idea what pressure these FSSP priests are under. El Paso, TX Ive recently come across many of his sermons online and found them to be quite useful. And a real hand with a hole in it stands ready to open the door. Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary Im glad you agree that Fisher Mores story is so important. Jeremy Palman. San Diego, CA Barbara, His work is exclusive in design, liturgically correct and unequaled in beauty. 1:00pm Keynote Speaker - Dr. Robert Loretz. Nothing more and probably less. Voris has done much good and I used to enjoy him but now I actively avoid him. In the meantime, Im glad to say that I now fully support you and have put my money where my mouth is. He replaces Fr. Post Falls, ID Many people think the Dimond bros are fanatics (God knows what they would think of St. John the Baptist, Jesus Christ or even St. Paul or St. Catherine of Sienna etc.) Especially in light of the context in which hes stepping up his attack with the Pope extending a remarkable olive branch to Econe and disastrous developments in annulment law and the ominous maneuverings underway for the Synod Against the Family.. English-speaking Chaplain . (I also think Drumms defense of the Dudley affair is unpersuasive. It was taking the faith seriously that led me to become sedevacantist and it is taking the faith seriously, that my family is going to hell (literally) which led me to break contact with them (as Jesus Christ directs us to do see Matt 18). https://akacatholic.com/providential-propers/#comments I say that sincerely, recognizing my own faults and shortcomings which may have led to giving this false impression. I suppose they have a natural virtue and would follow every rule even if they were protestants. Placed on leave in 11/18 after a man reported to the diocese 9/26 that Bouchard sexually abused him as a boy, ages 9-11. dear marian& all, Hence the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.. If we know of loved ones who have wandered, ask the same for them, that they begin to sense the obvious need for the Church and the Sacraments, particularly Holy Communion and confession. Wolfe to begin attacking the SSPX, and that posture only heightened following the election of Pope Francis. Cardinal Raymond Burke, Bp. I know one FSSP priest ONE that has publicly said the SSPX is not in schism. Zero. every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal sin when he offers Mass. The Morning of Recollection will be open to all men including non-parishioners and will include a conference by Fr. Lexington, KY has his way, they just might get one: Fairy(see) Fellay! The time and place has to be taken into consideration as well. DID I MISS THE PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM THE FSSP? And whatever Kings responsibility (or lack thereof) for that, you can hardly blame Olson of the Mater Dei priests for that state of affairs. Michael Voris right now has a post up attacking the SSPX and he directly links to the FSSP site in Scotland and names Father John Emerson FSSP. If left unchecked, we find ourselves in a rut where it seems we are just spinning the wheels; meaning about things that should be important gets confused, or even lost, and a frustration with life begins to set in. From what Louies stated himself, he welcomes all voices whether blunt, shy, up front, in your face or the opposite as well as the sedvacantist voice, as mine is. Lincoln, NE Keep up the great work. I do believe that theres a thread of influence and someone as familiar with these personalities as Louie would do well to explore it. Only God can do that. The upcoming Synod will be a real evil. Sedevacantism is not a religion in of of itself. At least warn Catholics who cross our path. Unfortunately, people who follow Bergoglio are not Catholic. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? I dont remember reading anywhere that Sr. Lucy said that diabolical disorientation would be the sole purview of liberals or modernists. Domus Generalis FSSP - Chemin du Schoenberg 8 - CH-1700 Fribourg (Suisse) . Dear de Maria nunquam satis, Michael Matt interviewed him in Mexico recently, I believe. Oklahoma City, OK That photo credit is Fr. Voris has so applied his intellect. The error can be found in document ecclesia dei in 1988 and was made more clear in 2003 with the FSSP constitutions. There is also, to borrow Voris words, an objective case of jurisdiction, and the legal/subjective case of jurisdiction. I hope those responsible both cleric and lay alike are made to pay for what they did there. Francis called a protestant minister his brother bishopthe man has an entirely different concept of sacraments, sin, church, juristiction, etc. make use of all the sacraments in the (old rite) at places like the FFSP , ICKSP etc this is where it can become a little complicated while these places offer all sacraments in the (old rite) they are in what we hear voris and others saying full communion with/under rome meaning that they are under the jurisdiction of the local bishop and cant/dont attack issues like the second vatican council. Faithful Catholics do not have time to be having this debate with the Synod just around the corner. Tulsa, OK Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! It can happen from a negative event; that is, when someone or something becomes threatened in such a way that forces us to look at it with the attention it deserves. No they did not. This detraction and extreme lack of charity to say nothing about factual errors has got to be challenged. Register Now. Even the Drumm narrative at the link admits that much just as it concedes that they really did make some bad hiring decisions. The archdioceses Office of Ministerial Standards brought the information related to Father Saguto to law enforcement, and law enforcement has advised us that they are not initiating a criminal investigation, the archbishop said. FSSP pastors are . As , albeit indirectly, pointed out in a discussion with my2cents below, trads have 2 things in common: they love the so called latin mass & they revile sedevacantists. For the person who knows that the Council is a grave danger to the faith, they have no problem advising against them allowing themselves (and their kids) to be formed in an FSSP parish since we have an obligation to engage those things that threaten to lead us away from the faith. The worst criticism of the SSPX sure comes from the Novus Ordo Traditionalists. Third Street - Evansville, IN 47708 Mass Time: 3rd Sun 9 am Phone number: (812) 422-5150 Priest: Fr Gene Vogler. I hope Catholics will be protected from those responsible. No I didnt. UPDATE: Having just received a message from a friend on the ground, Im happy to clarify that Fr. Besides its probable connection to ChurchMilitant.coms zeal against the SSPX, the unraveling of Fisher More College (the presidents fiscal leadership aside) is a stark study just how quickly Church power will coalesce to suppress an institution whose express mission is Traditional Catholic Formation (unless of course the institution was grandfathered in and has swallowed every conciliar tenet proffered since grandfather died). Watch on EWTN's Raymond Arroyo recently interviewed two priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP): Fr. I hope for the sake of the salvation of souls and the good of the Church that the whole story is known. Who gets to determine where the standard of Christ is planted? All it takes for evil to happen is for good people to do nothing but keep walkin along w/Pope Francis. dear rich, The central issue & question to be asked is: Is that religion which is currently observed in Vatican overseen dioceses worldwide the Catholic religion? The state police had executed a search warrant that day at the parish and arrested Father Jackson after determining that he was the owner of large amounts of child sex abuse material found on an external hard drive in an office area near his bedroom, an affidavit states. And yet magically, come midnight Dec. 8, 2015, zilch will, according to the pope, turn into the jurisdiction necessary to validly and licitly hear confessions and offer absolution. But they didnt. (Both Voris and Marshall refer to JPII and John XXIII as saints - big red flag!). 4. We covered this recently enough, so I wont go into more detail here. In reality, it is far more likely the case that it was used with permission, tacit or otherwise, thanks perhaps to Terry Carroll and his Mater Dei connection. Fraternity Publications A couple of years ago, I heard a solid Catholic treatment of the Holy Trinity which, in a side note, mentioned that as wonderful as this film is, the part in which the saint explains the Trinity must be ignored. They do not understand epikeia at all it seems to me. This gossip fest is now less scintillating than a junior high school girl spat in the Bronx after a game of Double Dutch. Terra as hes still not quite 100% in his health. I, for one, have found so many polite & dear empathetic souls here on Mr. V.s site who treat me wth tender kindness even on my worst days, and would never even think of bringin up my myriad flaws & throw them in my face. Perhaps bc of those such as yourself who have been poorly & even cruelly treated by a sedevacantist somewhere along the line, some proceed to make vast generalizations. Saguto (FSSPDistrict Superior) 31 May 4:30pm St. Victor Church in Hollywood (Los Angeles) ORGANPROCESSIONAL Organist: Meaghan King 120. Christ asks His Apostles. Brookville, IN Regardless of how we categorize the post-conciliar popes, the Traditional movement is best served by sticking together. Surely not all folks who are waking to the reality of the Counterfeit Church assume those who have already woken up are ipso facto smug? In fact, there seems to be an unspoken standard for comparison about what constitutes a home: home is supposed to be a place of security, stability, and safety, a place where one found love and learned about life, was educated and allowed to mature, so as to engage and contribute well to the larger world outside it, and remained always a place one can return to for a needed respite. 4th group SSPX canonically founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1970. Inaccurately classified and Inaccuratley defined sorry to the average reader i got it wrong in my comment above thanks de maria for correcting me. South Bend, IN Alarico, thank you for bringing this to my attention. Sure, we believe in what the Church proposes for us to believe because it comes from Jesus Christ, but that needs to penetrate more deeply and be pulled in from its ethereal orbit around our souls. There are disagreements (none of which involve Doctrine or Dogma it must be emphasized,) which can only be resolved by the Authority of One to Whom the Authority of the Keys has been given by virtue of lack of any impediment, IOW a reigning pontiff who is protected by the Holy Ghost from giving the faithful anything contrary to the Faith, even within the exercise of the Universal Ordinary Magisterium. I will not take it any further than that here, with respect to Louies request to engage in sedevacantist disussions at length not here, but in the forums. Mr. David McWhirter, FSSP ('12), are all set to join the priesthood, with three other alumni becoming deacons as well. Also, the cardinal mentioned Fr. In other words I am speaking about what the group believes officially and publicly. We preach Christ and him crucified every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal when... I actively avoid him done much good and I used to enjoy him but now I avoid. 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