Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). There are some instances in which it is biblically permissible for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible, but if the men you saw were there for biblical instruction from a woman, they were violating Scripture (see #1 & 2 here https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/). In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? read more, Scripture: Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. 2. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. She has been doing so for years. Ohmygoodness!!!! Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. Certainly. 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help you better understand Gods role for women in the church. So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. I think you are judging and do not agree with you. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. It will be called the good shepherd calls. Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. If that is you, let me save you the time and effort of writing another comment. Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE 2. If our feelings, opinions, or experiences contradict Gods word, then those feelings, experiences, and opinions are wrong and we need to repent and believe Gods word instead. Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. None. This is how people learn and grow in their faith. and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, Also your references in Matthew do not apply, and sadly this out of context mess gets regurgitated as much, if not more so, as Matthew 7, and the whole Do not ever judge crowd. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. Mark 8:25 Verse Concepts It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Defining moments, we all have them. Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Not from Scripture. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? I thought parables were a kind of means to read yourself into scripture? My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) You are very kind and encouraging :0). Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. (Yikes!). They are busy caring for their churches. No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. Mark 10:46-53 I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. 1. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. We have just joined a new church and I was completely disheartened to find they were about to start two womens Bible studies both by Priscilla Shirer. TRUTH AND LOVE We are to go beyond encouragement. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. How can we be Christians who care? Jesus did that too, so did Samuel, so did Elijah . Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. And how their lives could be changed, too. She goes beyond what is written in teaching men, in partnering with false teachers, in teaching unbiblical prayer practices, and in using improper hermeneutics. rather than on the Bible. 3. 1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Today I would like to preach on the thought astonished beyond measure. INTRODUCTION: No, Im afraid theres no such thing as a false teacher being an entryway into the faith any more than a bowl of cyanide can be a good appetizer before a healthy dinner. 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. Instead, she is dangling in front of Christian women an emotionally appealing and unbiblical carrot of miraculous and unique personal experiences with God instead of teaching them to properly study their Bibles and rely on Scripture alone for their doctrine and practices. 4. Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Even if shes twisted. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. 3. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . 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